Talk:St. Barnabas' Episcopal Church, Leeland

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the St. Barnabas' Episcopal Church, Leeland article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Christianity: Anglicanism Mid‑importance

	Christianity portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Christianity, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Christianity on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ChristianityWikipedia:WikiProject ChristianityTemplate:WikiProject ChristianityChristianity articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject Anglicanism (assessed as Mid-importance).

Maryland Mid‑importance

	Maryland portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Maryland, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the U.S. state of Maryland on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.MarylandWikipedia:WikiProject MarylandTemplate:WikiProject MarylandMaryland articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

St. Barnabas' Episcopal Church, Leeland received a peer review by Wikipedia editors, which is now archived. It may contain ideas you can use to improve this article.

Request for Photo[edit]

As the creator of this article and the only editor to date, I sure would like to include a photo of this beautiful church in the article, but unfortunately, I do not have one and am not in the area. Perhaps some kind soul could add one. I'm adding the {{reqphoto}} template. Toddst1 07:08, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Did I mention that User: Quarterczar rocks? Thanks John! Toddst1 (talk) 04:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WOW! Thanks for the kind words! I only try to do my part! You did all the hard work quarterczar 08:22, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:SYNTH[edit]

Re: this edit

@Toddst1:

My understanding is that it's acceptable to use maps in this way to determine the true location of a place, and I base this understanding over a previous case: Talk:ENSCO, Inc.#Regarding the address and location of this company in which it was determined that it is acceptable to use maps in this way. This case had been filed at Wikipedia:No_original_research/Noticeboard/Archive_14#Using_maps_to_determine_locations. A similar case is at Talk:Centennial_Airport#The_way_to_settle_the_map_location_dispute:_US_census_bureau_maps.

The reality is that media sources base "city names" on U.S. Postal Service address names that do not reflect actual city boundaries, so "secondary source precedence" is not realistic when determining the location of a place. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:35, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It really seems like that is the essence of WP:SYN and I don't think it adds anything to the article. Even if you can find a source that supports Brock Hall, what difference does it make? Toddst1 (talk) 17:20, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A census-designated place is the U.S. Census Bureau's statistical equivalent of an incorporated city/town/village, so adding Brock Hall states precisely where the church is in PG County (it's certainly not in Upper Marlboro as the town is quite tiny and far away from the church). Many places in PG County are unincorporated, so Wikipedia's articles on these places are based on the CDPs; the population statistics (number, ethnicity, households, etc.) that were all generated by Rambot back in 2002 are all from the CDPs. Therefore the basis of determining physical location should be based on the CDPs. I added this information so that this article can link back to Brock Hall, and so Brock Hall can link to it.

The previous editors decided that using maps in this way was okay (as in not a violation of SYNTH) because one can verify where a place is by checking maps and the address. It's not making up facts unsupported by the sources.

WhisperToMe (talk) 22:25, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Toddst1: I went ahead and made a fresh post to the OR noticeboard about this: Wikipedia:No_original_research/Noticeboard#Using_maps_to_determine_the_actual_location_of_a_place - I know mathematical calculations are already deemed to be not OR, so I think the map stuff should be clarified in the OR guideline/policy pages. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:41, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Toddst1: Hi again! The discussion I started got archived: Wikipedia:No_original_research/Noticeboard/Archive_41#Using_maps_to_determine_the_actual_location_of_a_place. One IP editor responded. WhisperToMe (talk) 13:42, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not going to object if you went forward with that. Toddst1 (talk) 14:33, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]